Kitty
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:02 pm
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Thats what I was saying. And theres also if the mothers body can handle the stress of birth and whether her mind can handle it.
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TheRipper
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:25 pm
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| i don't really understand the big panic about abortion because its all down to the woman and how far gone she is.
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lunexor
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:02 pm
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| The Ripper, the main concern is when the fetus gains an independent mind and concious.
Some say it is at conception, when the true being is born. And to abort it would be killing a helpless child, and the killer be charged with homicide.
This brings up a number of issues.
If you kill a pregnat woman, did you kill the baby too?
If you killed a baby inside a woman, can you be charged with murder?
And so many more questions.
So, yeah, there is a big panic about it, and the questioning if it is morally right or wrong.
I'm pro choice, personally.
A mother should be able to choose to keep the child or not.
Thats what we value in North America, and no one should have to tell a woman otherwise.
Plus, I don't think anything is living until 3 months.
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Antheia
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:18 pm
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| I'm 100% pro-choice. I mean yeah, it isn't necessarily right to kill an unborn baby, but lets say someone around my age (14 or 15ish) got pregnant, do you think they're ready to have a child, or go through the ridicule, pain, and stress that comes with having a baby?
Technically it isn't murder, because the baby is attached to you still, meaning it is a part of YOU, and what YOU choose to do with YOUR body shouldn't be anyone else's business.
I don't think you should have a baby unless you know you're ready for a baby. Even if there's the choice of giving it up for adoption, that would be extremely mentally stressful on the mother, because she'd gone through all that work just to give it to someone else to raise. Having a baby is no easy labor, and if you were 14, or 15, or 16 etc, would you like the fact that you didn't have a choice in whether or not you wanted to have a baby at that age and ruin so many things you could have had?
In my opinion, you should only have a baby if you really think you and your body are ready for it and can handle it.
And if you are, than hey, abortion doesn't need to even be an option for you.
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Antheia
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:23 pm
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lunexor wrote: |
The Ripper, the main concern is when the fetus gains an independent mind and concious.
Some say it is at conception, when the true being is born. And to abort it would be killing a helpless child, and the killer be charged with homicide.
This brings up a number of issues.
If you kill a pregnat woman, did you kill the baby too?
If you killed a baby inside a woman, can you be charged with murder?
And so many more questions.
So, yeah, there is a big panic about it, and the questioning if it is morally right or wrong.
I'm pro choice, personally.
A mother should be able to choose to keep the child or not.
Thats what we value in North America, and no one should have to tell a woman otherwise.
Plus, I don't think anything is living until 3 months. |
If you were to kill a pregnant woman you would have killed the unborn baby inside her too. But since it is still attached physically and is not yet it's own person or an individual it technically isn't murder to the baby, just to the mother.
If you just kill the baby inside the woman (abortion) than it technically isn't murder because the baby is dependent on the mother for its' life, so that means the mother is the one who can make decisions for both her and the unborn baby.
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Or that's what I think anyway.
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Trebble Cleff
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:35 pm
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I think that abortion is quite wrong.
It takes away too many peoples lives.
What if they could have done something to change the world?
Well, you can't know since they're dead.
There's a chance that the mother could die as well.
And just think of the price.
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Transcendence
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:48 am
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| I think that abortion is ok.
Personally I think that it should be legal because if I got pregnant and I was in one of the following situations it would not be a good environment for a baby to be born into.
1. Abusive family
2. mother too young or unable to care for the baby
3. poor family with too many children
4. rape
5. Birth defects
I think that if the baby will be hated in life, or put up for adoption, why put a poor child through that. As a very young fetus they cant understand or comprehend or even feel. They just are a growing machine. Yes it is horrible to kills something alive. But if I was raped and become pregnant I would want the option to get rid of the baby. Because it wasn't my fault. I would have to live with the shame of having it. When I look down or see the baby I would forever be reminded of the rape experience. Lets face it. The world is becoming over populated. We can no longer have so many children in the adoption centers who do no have a loving home. Would you want that for the child? Or is a early death not so bad?
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ChelseaKF
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:25 am
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| I stand Completely PRO LIFE. I am an adopted kid, and frankly I am very glad. My mother had me when she was 15. I think that yes a baby is a Human what else would it be. And if you look out at other campaigns in the world you would find that its kind of sickening. For example, The same group that goes on about saving the pandas also strives to legalize abortion. To me that is where you are putting an animals rights above there own. If you let things get out of control where is it going to stop. Not that long ago in Switzerland there was a case on whether plants should have rights! PLANTS! yet they are also one of the countries trying to legalize abortion. What can you say about the standard of living if plants are given the same rights as the people! whoah i kinda got off topic. Anyways I stand firm and strong against abortion believing that, that baby could grow up and help mankind in some way. I know this sounds absurd but what if someone decided to abort Einstien where would the world be?
People are born for a purpose and everyone has a role in life. So why not let them fulfill it?
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Fallain
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:21 am
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| I'm torn with this debate.
On one hand, I can't condone the death of a life, no matter how young.
But at the same time, I believe that it is a woman's right to choose.
This world is getting over-populated, and theres more accidentally children with bad parents that can't support them or orphans than anything. (possible over-exaggeration)
Example: my friend's cousin got knocked up and didn't want to have an abortion so she had a beautiful baby boy even though she was a cocaine addict. She would sometimes forget to feed him, leave him at home alone for hours at a time and leave her drugs on the table where he could easily reach them. Eventually my friend's step-mom stepped in and adopted the baby from her and he now has a wonderful, loving family and just started kindergarten in his new life. But theres never few example like this, what if he hadn't been rescued? Would it have been better for him to live that life, or been aborted?
Another example: my friend knocked up his girlfriend their senior year and she believed she was too young to be a mother so she was going to get an abortion. He begged her to have the baby and he'd take full custody of it from her and raise it alone. He did and she's turning a 1 in July and he's not sleeping between working nights so he can be home in the day with her because he can't afford day care and trying to take online college classes. This isn't a good example because I don't know how she will turn out being raised like this, or what it will eventually do to him but same question, would it have been better to be aborted?
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Catghost
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:06 pm
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| I am pro life, but I don't think abortion should be illegal, "aborting" your child shouldn't even be an option that comes to mind.
This whole abortion debate needs to be scrapped. The "It's her body, she should choose." argument is just silly, the child is not her body, they are two separate human beings.
Making it illegal is silly as well, as it won't stop women from having them. They'll just find other, more risky ways to have an abortion.
Instead, we must figure out a why these women are having abortions. Why are they so desperate that they choose to abort their child? What can we do to help them?
Making it illegal is NOT going to solve the problem. It will just make it worse, because not everyone is financially or mentally capable of having a child.
Adoption is one good alternative if the mother is not mentally capable of caring for the child, as there are hundreds(if not thousands) of deserving couples who cannot have children who want them. (usually this type of adoption happens while the woman is still pregnant so the child won't be placed into an orphanage after it is born)
Setting up (more?)non profit organizations(not the government) specifically for helping soon to be mothers who are not yet financially able to care for a child is something that really needs to be considered.
Of course these are just suggestions, and will not solve everyone's problems. But at least these might actually help someone.
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Graymalkin
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:12 pm
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| I am more towards Pro-Choice than anything.
If you are a teenager or younger you should not have a child.
Ruining your body and mentality at a young age,
if you so choose or are forced to have the child,
will ruin you for the rest of your life.
I have heard that if the mother sees the child,
then they will form a longing after that and want to keep it.
Although a young mother might be neglectful,
or become very angry perhaps even violent to the crying child.
If you have health conditions that a child could criticalize,
then of course you should abort the child.
If you were raped and concieved,
I am fairly certain you would not want that child to be born.
Whether you would love him anyway,
or give him to someone else after he was born,
knowing that the seed of something awful grew,
makes you only wonder what that child might grow up to be.
I know myself that if I had a child from rape, I would not want it born.
If you kept that child no matter how much you did love him,
looking at that child would always make you remember what happened.
So, I am one hundred percent Pro-Choice.
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Odd
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:52 am
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| I'm pro-choice. The way I see it, men should have no say whatsoever in this matter, because they're never going to be pregnant. And obviously we can't allow only one gender to vote on the issue because that would be illegal, as well as setting a bad precedent. Therefore, the only possible solution is to leave abortions legal.
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BubbleTrouble
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:26 pm
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| I'm strictly pro-choice, it's the woman's body, you can't force her to keep something inside her she doesn't want there, especially since pregnancy is not a walk in the park. Plus any mother who would want to get rid of a child before it's born, is probably not a mother who would provide a good life for a child she was made into having. It should stay legal, but there should be tighter restrictions on how far into the pregnancy you can have an abortion.
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Iregyura
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:15 pm
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| I think that it should be legal. I know it's mean and stuff, but what if the woman was molested and is a teenager? Maybe she still has a life ahead of her, and maybe she's too immature to be a mother. I've heard stories of young mothers on the internet and in books. Actually, they don't have a nice life, and their children are teased often and stuff.
Abortion is a choice, and it's usually very bad. But if you're thinking of the child's future will be bad, and that you don't even like it's father (I'm speaking as a girl, obviously) then you shouldn't raise a child that make you feel hatred every time you look at them. Plus, it's half you and half the guy. Maybe he was really mean and stuff, and you don't want your child to grow up as a bad person.
So that's really what I think. It's sad, and lots of people are against abortion. However, like I said, it's a choice. Maybe the girl wants to be a mother, but is too young. That may happen. She doesn't want to give her child a hard life. So this is what I think.
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Sillice
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:38 pm
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When I was younger I was always pro-life. But as I got older and started to realize what I would want if it happened to me, I slowly became more pro-choice.
But, I'm only pro-choice under certain circumstances. If the woman is raped and a child is created out of it, it's the mother's choice if she wants to keep it or not. Why should she keep a child that every time she looks at it she remembers the face of her rapist? There is always the 'adoption' option in this situation. So I'm somewhat split on this situation.
Another situation I would be pro-choice is if giving birth to the child is potently going to harm the mother.
Now when it comes to teenagers acting foolishly and flaunting all around with every kid in the neighborhood, I'm sorry, but you're stuck with it. Perhaps that'll teach you to keep it in your pants next time. |
I'm with you! I a pro-choicer because I thought of all the circumstance and put myself into each. And there are thousands I don't even know of. I can't say what is right for me, will be right for someone else. I stand with it for the teenage though, there are cases where the teen does all the right things and it still lands them with child. But those are a few cases, the majority I say reap what they hath sow.
As to the pro-lifer, I just want to ask. If you don't like pro-choice or a mix, then how do you take care of the growing rate of unwanted children? Also How are you going to keep adoption offices running with the increase that a pro-life society creates? Do you care about the psychological effects of being parent less will have on the kid? Or do you only care about up till the time it out of the womb? There are tons of legal matter to consider if you make abortion illegal, are you ready to pay taxes on those laws? Are you ready for an increase in taxes so that the government can pay for and care for all the poor mothers? Or are you going to leave the women, those who have been forced to suffer for your ideals on, to the private money bags on Wall street (and we've all seen how caring those people are to the common needs of the people)? Please answer this for me, so I know that at least someone has thought of the future instead of just a "idealogical religious purification of our corrupt and godless secular society".
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