Abortion

[lexi luthor]

I have a lot of friends and family. People who have told me that they don't know what they would have done without me. Infact some told me I have saved their lives.

When I was a baby in my mom's stomach she was planning to have an abortion. Instead though she decided to just adopt me off. So I was adopted off, and I am here now. Now, just think, think of the people who don't know what they would have don't without you... What if you were an aborted child? What if you never met any of the people you know now. Just think about that..

[wolfiewheeee]

Sigh. I just have to say this outright: I hate it. I hate the idea that a woman would decide to kill her child before it was even born. It sickens me even more that it's legal.
BUT, I should hope it to stay legal. I can talk all I want, and perhaps persuede a few people from doing it, but i think it also in a way saves lives. Women will abort whether it is legal or not. All they have to do is have someone kick them in the stomach as hard as possible. And that way the woman can be seriously hurt. So I can wish for it to stop, but I'd never vote to make it illegal.

[Imaginative Sarah]

the baby didn't ask to be brought into the world.. but its already alive inside there.. people need to stop trying to play God and killing innocent lives..heck that baby may have even wanted to be here but i guess they are just blessed to not be into this cruel world as long as others have but still sad

[dreamer676]

I absdolutely hate this subject, mostly because I am on the fence about it all. I mean I am on the implant the chances of me getting pregnant is so remote,but if I found out tomorrow, say, that I was pregnant, I would want to keep it, even though I am only 18. However I realsie one of the smarter things to do would be to get it aborted. Yes of course this is about the time that everyone screams but you could let it get adopted then it can live, but I'm afraid I can't go nine months bonding with a baby that I can't keep, it sounds selfish but I'm not strong enough to do that. I say that keeping it would not be the smart option because we (me and my boyfriend) could not keep it no matter how much I'd want to; we simply can't afford it. Besides which my mother said she would throw me out because it's not fair for the father to be away from it >.> great plan I know.

Anyway I think what I'm saying is that it's not so much whether it's right or wrong morally, for me, but what is right or wrong for the baby at the time. I.e I will not keep a baby for it to live either wondering who it's parents are and why they gave it up for the rest of its life or wondering why it has to live in such crappy situations for the rest of its life. Mostly because depending how mentally strong the child ends up being it may end up in depression and suicide and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, especially not my own child.

[Menmeth]

What a wonderful can of worms! I will certainly go on a rant at some point, but I will first clarify my stance.

- Stay legal.

- Right.

- Woman's Choice.

now for a little venom and e-bile. (No, this isn't even a full fledged rant.)

For those of you who say it is murder, I respond with "of course", I advocate murder as a rather rabid defendant of social contract. I have zero problems removing detrimental influence from society. The very fact the fetus is not wanted for some reason before it is even born, much yet had a chance to lie, cheat, steal, and kill, is a rather prominent warning sign.

It kills babies you say? I ask for your point, since human females have, what a 30% chance a fertilized egg will develop, and even with modern medicine still have miscarriages, and infants are at risk of SIDS even if everything goes *right*. In the best hospitals in the world women and infants who are both perfectly healthy die from complications. Birth is not a perfect system to begin with, and current population growth everywhere in the world is still at an unsustainable rate. People die, even infants. There is an attempt to appeal with sensational words that are supposed to have some sort of emotional or ethical attachment like "baby" or "kill" which I do not see; there is no problem with "remove wart" while "put down family pet" and "unfortunate miscarriage" produce at least twinges of sympathy, not revulsion.

It is biologically human, alive, with a potentially valuable future and a right to live? As a matter of course I must place a value on human life. Zero is a perfectly acceptable numerical value. So I see zero loss from that potential collection of potential experiences. It hasn't even proven that it is capable of survival on its own - in fact the fetus fits the very definition of a parasite, and while part of the birth sac is genetically part of the fetus, part is also the mother's (for those of you who would claim the mother and infant are totally separate and she should have no say in what is not genetically hers etc etc) and even if removed would be dependent on an outside source to survive at all for an extended period. I have also stated that I advocate social contract and removal of detrimental influences. That it meets those criteria and gets by when coma patients, tumor cells, terminally ill, and violent sociopaths would be allowed to die in no way phases me because I do not recognize that it has a right to live. Neither did the last hamburger I ate. Neither do you. There is no "right" there. As far as I am concerned there is only a right for cancellation of contract.

To those who denounce everything I have put forth, deem me as evil, or babble about innocence or alternatives. I call you misogynist and enslaver. I see no reason to allow you to interject your opinions (you can call them morals or values or whatever the hell you wish) onto others who do not want them. I call you a criminal element that advocates the slaughter of females and infants as you condemn both mothers and infants to suffering and death since you refuse to account for their health and well being. Instead of one death, you would rather have two. I have no more compassion for you than a serial killer. Less if they admit they are a serial killer.

For those who want to make allowances for reasons of health, etc, I say two things. The first is get off the fence. The second is who gets to determine when it is acceptable to snuff out that life? When you attempt to apply bureaucracy and restrictions there will be complications, particularly to health.

Now do not I believe it is right to use it because a female got knocked up and simply doesn't want the child. No, I don't. Neither should she be forced through the pregnancy and the state have to care for the child or the child be forced into an adoptive care system. No one should be born unwanted. And no one should have to pay for that unwanted child - I don't believe in welfare either. A woman who chooses abortion will have to bear that choice for the rest of her life, and it is a certainty more absolute than giving that baby up to adoption. There will be no knock on the door a decade or two later. There will be no second guessing. But she should have that choice. No matter the reasons.

I will not be the one to say let someone else make the decisions for them, I will not take that choice away from them, I will not be the one to condemn scared teenage girls to seek out quacks with coat hangers or call them a criminal or murderer for wanting a say in what happens to their own bodies. I will not condemn a child to live a life that doesn't amount to life, or die from disease or deformity while teenage parents weep while holding it, nor a mother to bleed to death or her kidneys to fail because her body cannot handle the burden of childbirth.

Given the opportunity, I'd gladly hunt down anyone who would oppose that right. I already said I have no problems removing detrimental influences from society. Unfortunately most of the rest of the world doesn't see it my way, and I do live within the bounds of my society for the most part.

To the surprise of anyone who manages to read this far, I would like to have children of my own. If I do then expect me to defend them with a rabid devotion, and, if need be, complete disregard for my own life. The reason will be because they are wanted - no matter their decisions.

[Skunkoon]

I think I'm Pro-Choice. If a woman does happen to get pregnant, she should have the right to choose whether to keep it or have an abortion. If she didn't want the "baby" (if it should be even called that in such a small state) in the first place, she doesn't have to keep it. Especially if the woman happens to be a careless teenager. When in school, she can't be walking the halls with a big pregnant belly. She might have to leave school for a while, thus cutting into her school work. Should she have to give up her future looking after her not wanted child?

[ecco]

i am entirely pro-choice.
in my eyes "pro-life" is an oxymoron, given that pregnancy and childbirth could kill the mother. hardly fair if she didnt want to go through with it.

it should stay legal. i get that some people think its "murder" but you know what? if thats what you think, then when you have an unplanned pregnancy you can keep it. but you have no right to tell a woman who does not want to be pregnant or to be a mother that she HAS to keep it. that entire notion is absurd as far as im concerned.

i also feel that it should be entirely the mother's choice and wether the father wants to keep it, that's just too bad. it's all happening to the woman's body so it should be her decision. by all means take his opinion into account but no-one should be able to force a woman to go through with a pregnancy that she doesn't want.

[Chu]

@Menmeth: I'd quote you for truth, but that would be page stretching.

I completely agree with everything in your post - though not as fiercely - and would like to have children someday as well.

[Menmeth]

There is something to be said for intelligence, pathos, and conviction. Traits that seem to be sadly lacking in many.

[Fork]

Ahh yes, the good ole' abortion topic, one of my all time favorites being that it is a major issue in america today.

I don't believe Child abortions are humane. I believe that the fetus has the right to live if it is deemed possible that it can. As I have said in another topic, when a male and female has intercourse, millions of sperm surround the egg, but only one may get into the egg and fertilize it. Technically, that means that you just destroyed a baby, that had a one in a million chance of being born. And not only are there millions of sperm unable to get to the egg, your white blood cells will try to kill the sperm, being it is a foreign objective to your white blood cells, so they will kill them off.

Now that we are behind the science in why i dont believe it is right, lets go into the mental.

when a child is aborted, they really do feel that pain from being killed in the womb, believe it or not, its true. I also find it morally wrong to want to kill another person. I do not even think it is an option. All I hear is that "If I get raped, i dont want my child to have to go through life knowing his fater is a rapist"
when i hear that i just say "Bitch please, how woulld you know the child would have a problem with that"
If I were the son of a woman who has been raped and I was the result of that, then I would be thankful still that I had the chance to experience life and try to make it in this cold blue world we call home.

If you think about how lucky we all are to ever have been born, then you would realize that child abortion is wrong.
I am especially lucky, because when my mom was in labor with me, she began to have a miscarriage, I had a 25% chance of surviving long enough to be born. Doctors had to make a decision, either me or my mom lives, not both of us. So, they did, naturally, decide to save my mother, so thus they were gonna go ahead and kill me because of miscarriage. I dont know how, but some how, miraculously, I lived to be born, and Im here, and I appreciate my life for what it is. So if you want to have an abld you let die, couldve grown up to make you rich you let die, couldve grown up to make you rich.

[Vixie]

this is always a 2 sided story.
because in some cases its ok but in others its not.
LETS REVEIW SHALL WE...
Bad Abortion:
its totally unexceptable to have one done when your baby is 24weeks old because thats the point where the nerve system has come into play and it will feel the immense pain your putting it through!

Good Abortion:
if your doing it under 24weeks it ok because its not a baby as of yet, its still just a thing and not everyone should be allowed to have kids, there are certain times when abortion is the only option because not everyone feels the same and you joined judge people for getting it done just because you veiw it as "wrong", that makes YOU the bad person.

the baby is only formed as an actual baby when your 24weeks pregnant, thats why doctors tell you not to have an abortion if your over 24weeks because well, its a (almost) fully formed baby and it can feel pain by then.

[saiyouri]

I am pro choice. There are alot of reasons for a woman to abort her child. And to me they are all good ones.

If she isn't ready to have a child and doesn't want to deal with the pregnancy even though she did take precaution, the child doesn't need to be forced into this world just to be hated, ignored and possibly abused. And some women can die from having a child for many reasons.

I know there is adoption but there are so many kids already in adoption and they aren't really being adopted. Plus alot of kids in the system are ignored and abuses as well. And no one wants to adopt a older child or teen. They all want a baby or small child.

[terrapin]

Well, my views on abortion are a bit complex.
I don't think I would ever have an abortion, and in that way, I'm against it.
But I DO believe every women has the right to choose what to do.

[ecco]

you're not really against it at all, then. the whole point of pro-choice is that the woman can decide either way - it seems to me thats what you believe in, its just that for you, your CHOICE would be to keep it.

[Sailor_Gunner_Cat]

This is funny. We just had a pro-choice and an anti-abortion protest across the street from each other. I thought it was kinda funny when they gave peace signs to one another. I just had to smile...but that was after the police had left so....

Personally I do believe that it is the mothers choice to chose whether she want to or not, but I really look down on it. It's still a life. I think should only be done if the mother's life is in danger from the pregnancy due to a complication. But it's a personal choice. If the person feels they can live with themselves after they have the abortion then more power to them but I don't think I could ever do it knowing that it was still my child.

I guess there are always exceptions to the rules so to speak, like I can understand victims of rape better then I can understand a high school girls stupid choice.