Abortion

[WildCitrus]

[ecco]

the point still stands that it is not a child until it has a hearbeat, a brain - can think.

and as such, the mother has done nothing wrong is she aborts the pregnancy.

and more to the point, you know things will turn out just grand just as little as you know they will turn out awful. so, you cant really use that as a basis for an argument.

[evercharmer]

I feel it would be wrong to make abortion illegal.

The fact of the matter is, if it were illegal, women would do it anyways.
Only it would be much less safe, likely done in the back room of some
run-down house with filthy instruments prone to causing infection. Not
only would the fetus die, but the mother as well.

When it comes to the fetus, it is just that. A fetus. I see potential in that,
potential that I could never bear to kill myself. But still, it is not a baby
yet. It cannot thing, and most of the studies I've read show that at the
time frame abortions are done, it cannot feel pain.

The mother, on the other hand, can feel pain. Both the physical pain of
getting an abortion and the mental pain. People who talk about these
women in the context of being against abortion always seem to either peg
them as the misled fool or the cruel bitch. While I'm certain that many
women feel they have no choice, and can thus be considered misled,
there are very few women that can do it without at least a little sadness
and those that can are sociopaths anyways.

Those mothers that get abortions usual do so because they don't feel
ready for a child. They either are not fiscally able to support it or
physically/mentally, and were they to try and raise aid child, they likely
would not be able to do so and the child would have a poor life as it is.
that, or it would fall to the government to provide, which is not it's place.

It is also not the government's place to tell a woman what she can or
cannot do with her body. If the government says we can't get abortion,
what will be next? We can't smoke or drink because it's bad for us, never
mind that the people doing so are adults with minds of their own? No, we
can't eat that much sugar, we might develop diabetes? It simply isn't the
government's place.

[Miriallia]

[elliryanna55]

Id have to say pro choice depending on the situation I mean if some dumb teenage girl gets pregnant because she did it too early I think she should have to endure it because she made the mistake now on the other hand there are rapists out there and Im pretty sure women dont want to have some strangers baby

[nocturnalxpulse]

[Radioactivity]

I'M ANTI-LIFE.
KILL FETUS.
... Just kidding...
It really angers me though when people try to make abortion illegal. Yes, I agree, there are people in the world who abuse the abortion process and use it as their form of contraception. But not all women are like that. I, for one, have no desire to have children (right now) and if I got raped, not only would I not be able to support the child and give it a good life at this point, but I would totally just want to throw it in the dumpster! ~_~ People like me with a genuine dislike for young children should not be forced to have a baby.
However, if I accidentally got pregnant, I would force myself (as punishment) to give birth to it, then give it to an adoption agency. Again,, I am not a fit parent, and have no desire to be one, so the safest place for the child would be to go to an adoption agency. People in said situations should NOT get an abortion (teen mothers), but rather have the child and decide whether or not they'll raise it.
So my side is pro-choice. It's up to a woman to decide whether or not to have a baby. If they make abortion illegal because a bunch of old men are rallying against it, I will literally leave this country.... Maybe I got out of hand...
But yeah, that's my opinion! Love it or hate it, you can't change it. =P

[TGPretender]

I'm pro-choice, to a point.

Medically speaking, an embryo is alive when it's been fertilized. However, brain activity does not begin for several months. To me, that is the true point of life and has convinced me over to being pro-choice for the first trimester. It is also less dangerous for the woman if the pregnancy is terminated at this stage.

After brain activity has been confirmed, however, I am against termination. People go on about souls and all that, but I'm a man of science and I need proof of intelligent life. For me, that's brain activity. Therefore, after this point, the fetus becomes a real entity in my mind and should be brought to term.

Now there are exceptions. Disastrous birth defects, brain abnormalities, or genetic illnesses are cause for termination. I'm all for accepting people for how they are, but I won't be party for creating a child that will never be able to survive on their own or will never be able to enjoy life to the fullest. Call me callous if you will, but if I knew my child would be born with a crippling abnormality, I'd call for termination.

Now, because I hold a first-trimester date, I'm also all for adoption of unwanted infants. But then again, I'm also for voluntary sterilization to keep the populations down in the first place so there are fewer unwanted infants anyway.

[Madam Kira]

I'm Pro -Choice
If she keeps the kid or not, she still has to deal with the outcome by herself.
In the end it's the women that has to deal with her choice, not anyone else.

[ecco]

*cough* well you know, apart from the child...
haha.



also... this is going to sound so harsh but i only just realised someone quoted my last post up there. crying over it? hahaha. that's.... pathetic. it's not murder if the thing isn't alive, jeez. you can't murder a rock, can you?

[Pikmin]

This is a bit of an iffy topic for me, as I found out when I was younger that I was actually a "mistake"
But I do think that the mothers should be given the choice of whether to abort or not - But it's something that needs a lot of thought, and most likely the input of close family/friends/councellors if the mother isn't of a stable mind.

Because at the minute, I am unemployed and every two weeks I need to go to the jobcentre. While I'm in there, I see teen mothers with their baby in a pram, and they quite literally swear at those kids. They smoke around them, drink around them, and just don't really know how to look after a kid.
I am not saying all teen mothers are like this, nor am I just blaming the mother, the fathers have a responsibility too, and it's just not right for a kid to go through that...

However, I do agree with people saying that beyond a certain point in the pregnancy, ie, when the baby actually becomes sentient, it's just not right.. It's a human at that point and therefore surely can't be classed as anything other than murder.

About the baby having a massive disability... I agree that if it's something that will destroy their life completely, then yes, it should be considered. However, people these days need more information about all disabilities. Say if in the future they find a way of telling if a baby is going to have aspergers syndrome (which I have) and the mother's like OMG THAT SOUNDS SCARY, and aborts over something that really isn't that serious.

You may say that sounds unlikely but I still remember the story of the woman that aborted her baby late in the pregnancy because it had a cleft lip...

[nocturnalxpulse]

[ecco]

not to mention, in the UK at least, you can't exactly just give birth to a baby then go "nope, don't want it, take it to the orphanage" - in fact the problems more the opposite here, kids with totally shite abusive or neglectful parents end up left in that situation for far too long. it's sad.

[nocturnalxpulse]

i am glad people care enough to say i am against abortion, or i am for a choice but people let whatever the doctors or government or just comercial telivision rule how a person thinks. The first 3 to 4 weeks the baby has not started forming and it is still only fetul TISSUE after the baby begins to show signs of a figuer then it is officialy illigal to have an abortion. I love free choice! cuz I hate being told what i do is wrong or what i do is right by others, If i feel its right thats good enough for me

[Dr. Tick Tock]

If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. But don't try to take away other people's rights simply because you have an opinion.

My best friend got an abortion, she was sixteen. Had she made a mistake by not using protection? Yes. Had she been a complete idiot to not do so? Yes. But to this day, whenever she sees a child that would be around the age of her baby, she has to look away and hold back tears. Most women and girls aren't having abortions going, "YES! YES! SLAUGHTER MY CHILD!" They care about it, and it's a hard decision for them to make. But just because you care about your family dog, does that mean you'll jump in front of a bullet for him? Even knowing that it would kill him, but probably not kill you.

And, quite truthfully, if my mother had aborted me, right now no one would really know the difference, would they? And she would probably still be haunted by what she did, and would still be wondering after all these years, "What would my baby have been like?" But people who shove it in her face what a monster she is for "murdering an innocent fetus" just make it worse.

I find it ridiculous how much people vouch for anti-abortion, but apparently don't give a sh*t about the thousands of other people who die every day- in worse ways than a fetus does. Seeing as there are over 350,000 births each day and UNDER 155,000 DEATHS each day, abortion is simply death to a creature that would just contribute to the massive pile of an already too-high statistic.

So instead of trying to shove another person's rights down the toilet, perhaps people should instead be turning their attention to "correction rape" in Africa, or funding and finding a cure for HIV, or encouraging our government to help war refugee camps.

I'm not pro-life and I'm not anti-life. But I am pro-rights.