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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:19 pm
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| That actually brought up a god question-- How do you picture the gates to look and function? I mean, I usually picture actual gates, but that may not be the case with everyone else XD; And thing is- most of the gates would either be buried in the ground because of ow long they've existed, or kept safe by different cultures (this can be for various reasons.)
I do believe that the other side of the gate, in the demon planes, would actually look like a gate, just because I feel that the demon planes would actually keep maintenance on their side of the gate and I don't think elemental havoc would burry their gates.. but I dunno o3o.
Also- to open a gate, I'm proposing we use the "innocent's blood" technique. In which case the head must be severed and put before the gate before the soul can fully leave it. Because the dead speak the same language as demons, the soul will be compelled to open the gate and by speaking through the mouth of a human (dead as they would be) that activates a merging of the physical gate's planes, and the Demonic Gate's planes.
So are you thinking there would be a tablet at each location that would help locate the gates, but also tell us a bit about the gates?
Sounds good to me  I think there's going to be quite a few gates that would be under water because of geographic history, so that totally works.
Oh! Going back to the gates- cause they fascinate me so, can they be physically opened with out being spiritually opened? Meaning they can work like normal gates as long as they're not activated? Cause I was just thinking, I have a character on the hell plane border of Wales and England that lives in an isolated feif. The gate to her feif is actually a parallel gate to the human realm. But she hasn't been able to open it because it's locked so she's been stuck in that old place for a pretty long time XD Most of her servants jumped the fence or flew off over that span of time until they were all gone. But yeah- so since the gates have to be activated to work, could the human gates still function as normal gates (if they are actual gates)?
Ooh, Egyptian will be tricky... I think Anubis and Horus would be SO cool to bring to the game, lol. All of those gods were pretty self righteous so I don't think they'd have any buddies from the holy gates. I guess we could pull a few out of a Hell Gate. Maybe even some "god" pharos XD;
Hmm, Wiccans technically do believe demons exists. Most Pagan beliefs do. They just don't believe in "Satan" and the biblical profiling of demons. I don't know where I can find Wiccan information on their demons, but I know that the issue with being possessed comes up especially when talking about astral projection.
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Keylaleigh
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:48 pm
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| Gate-wise, I actually thought of them looking like the gates in the seventh season of buffy. They were metal circles on the ground with ancient inscriptions on them, and when enough blood is spilt on them, they open the gate. I'm looking for a scene of one right now.
Alright, finding a video is proving to be a hassle, so here's the buffy wikia entry on it:
http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Seal_of_Danzalthar
And on the Wiccan areas, I think whatever demons resided there were nameless, only being called "evil spirits" until Christianity came along and named them Devils. Because they generally don't believe in demons or devils. I have a TON of books on wicca all over my house.
On the tablet thing, they should be VERY hard to read. Like in some sort of Demon's tongue. Because if there was a huge-ass thing that said "BEWARE! GATE TO HELL!" people would be less likely to open it.
And on the Egyptian demons, they could simply be "Minions of Set" who was essentially the god of evil.
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Seitaro Nagase
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:32 pm
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| Hmm, well when I was thinking the word "gate", I was thinking of a passageway that was ingrained into the geological setting. Such as for Hindus, the demons cone out from the Ganges river. For Egypt, a resting place or pyramid of an evil god would be able to spew from without those places. Mount Fuji's Aoikigahara being the area of spawn for yokais. I dunno, lol.
I felt really dumb though...and because of that is cuz I'm Wiccan and didn't realize that wiccans don't believe in demons xD
They believe is spirits and poltergeists. Stuff like that. They draw their power source from pagan gods such as the moon goddess and sun god. So as we shape up the places where the gates will be located, when shall we begin the rp?
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:26 pm
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| "On the evening of January 1st, 1920, as everybody was celebrating the New Year, something happened in a distant village." T'is pretty much how I see the beginning XD
When I think of gates, I'm thinking about Stonehenge and the like, megalithic, half-ruined down, sculpture-thingies that no one nowadays can really related to anything (or at least not precisely enough). But yeah, anything that looks like a "gate" (random shape with an opening in the center) of some sort will be fine. I mean, chances are they were built according to the standards (including aesthetic) of the people who built them, so they might not be all the same.
Although, I agree with Seitaro about the placement of each Gate. Since they were important for the ancient cultures who built them, chances are they became sort of sacred places. When they were closed, people slowly forgot why that place was sacred, or changed the story to something else (birth of someone important, etc.), and after a while, nobody remembered that a gate had been built there.
Also, since some religions tend to consider gods (and whatever spiritual figures) from other religions as demons of a sort, maybe some ancient gods could have been baned when the exorcists from one religion took over the place. Like, when Christianity became more popular in Europe, the pagan gods became less popular at the same time, and since less people cared about them, the Christian priests were able to bane them into the Demon World. Although they were not all bad at first, some might not have appreciated how mankind treated them, and they may now be seeking revenge on those who betray them... or at least on their descendants.
I see Heaven (or call it whatever you want) the same way I see the demon plan: strongly related to earth (geographically), but also locked away from it. Although, it could be a bit easier for the heavenly creatures to appear on Earth, but it still costs them a lot of energy or something.
Maybe the demons are somehow responsible for the opening of the first gate (like, they found a way to manipulate someone into opening it or something)? Although, they are not stupid and know that the heavenly creatures would react as soon as a gate opens, so maybe they found a way to forbid them from reaching Earth. Like, putting up a magical shield or something that would forbid positive energy from appearing, or Heaven-Earth portals to be opened.
The Heavens didn't have much time to react, and it took them a bunch of time to find a way to break that spell, thus their delayed appearance in the story. Of course, as for demons stuck on Earth, maybe some holy creatures could have been left over, maybe the one in charge of watching for any demonic activity or something, but not powerful enough to just close the new gates by clapping their hands. .gif)
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Pandello
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:30 pm
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| Ooh, lots of cool ideas for the gates o3o
I ended up getting a nasty cold and sinus headaches to boot, so I'm sorry for not posting and updating recently.
I'm also not going to be able to come back to work on stuff till after Saturday because of funeral arrangements that I've been helping with. A relative passed away a few weeks ago. Fuuun stuff. So I'm super sorry guys >____< We'll kick this sucker back into gear as soon as I can get back on.
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Seitaro Nagase
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:43 pm
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| Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear bout that. Well take all the time ya need. We all shall be here! And hope ya feel better! Chicken noodle soup does miracles!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:22 pm
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| Ooooh, this all sounds great... and yo, I'm still alive (in case you were wondering)... just kept incredibly busy courtesy of college, WOOT.
I think it's a great idea for the gates to act as normal door-type things when they aren't spiritually activated; it could make things much more interesting. And Maeve, yeah, I kind of agree on the Stonehenge/holy places for gate locations. That makes a lot of sense to me.
And... can demons breed? Perhaps under very special, rare circumstances? (I mean, we wouldn't want an infestation  )
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:07 pm
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| Okay, just letting you guys know I'm back- my cold is still death but no more funeral stuff 8D
And I am eating lots of soup and ginger and tea and sleeping extra lots~ :3
Now then!
I took some time last night to start sketching the basic characters that have been posted so far. I'll get them scanned in soon and we can go over that stuff. It's not a need-to-do thing right away as there's lots of plotting still to be done, but I think getting the art aspect started would be a fun little add-on to our progress :3
On to the current topic!
First Demon Gate to open: decidedly somewhere in Africa. Anyone have any idea where would be historically appropriate? We'll need some sort of specification-- be it specific tribe or something more broad like "Southern Africa."
Gate Appearance: Taking the listed ideas, the gates should vary when considering where they were built and or what cultures they were for. So the gates will vary in appearance, Stonehenge, Ethiopian Ritual sites, Egyptian pyramids, Chinese shrines, etc. But the time lines would be best synchronized so we have a sure image if each area's gate.
Not having the site completely accurate isn't a big deal-- like rivers that wouldn't have been there before can be said to have always been there, or we can make up a story of what was originally there.
Listed Ideas:
Alchemy-like circular passages refrence
Geologically synchronized with spiritual sites.
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| Such as for Hindus, the demons come out from the Ganges river. For Egypt, a resting place or pyramid of an evil god, . . . Mount Fuji's Aoikigahara being the area of spawn for yokais |
Ruinous/ ancient religious sites or sites with unknown purposes.
@Key, Wiccan wise- that sounds accurate, along with Sei's bit on the whole thing, I think that's a clearer image. So evil spirits.. would that mean that they don't have a visual form? I was actually thinking about something similar to this yesterday- but that was about "echos" I was considering the idea of manipulative demons who use your words against you, giving them a form would be very hard-- unless they worked like specters and took a twisted form of their subject or someone important to their subject. But yeah- how would it work for Wiccan "Evil spirits"?
@Seitaro, I remember Wicca has a "Mother Goddess" and a male God.. I don't remember his term of title but I remember he has antlers XD; Weren't the elements more like spiritual power sources that didn't have any actual form behind them? I mean- I know you thank them when performing a circle, but yeah.. the image of how that part is viewed is very blurry to me >3>;;
As for the RP, I'm going to get everyone to solidify their characters once we finish this part of the plotting process. We're super close to having it settled after all. I'm also going to want to know how many characters everyone is willing to work with. Many of us won't have a demon character summoned until their gate is opened, so having a human or some sort of earthen character to begin the RP with would help start things up and expand on our character list's variety.
So to answer your question: I'd say we'll start RPing by the end of this month. Which also means I'm going to need everyone's basic schedules of when they can be on to post.
That way I can set up a schedule with when breaks will be and the order and timing of posts according to the speed of the RPers. :]
Oh! also-- the schedule will be pretty lenient as it is a holiday season and vacation is unavoidable for some. Let's just hope it doesn't hurt anything too much. ^_^
@Maeve-- Right, I like that angle for the "Heaven Gates". Maybe the "layering" thing would still happen to the Holy side. Like how demons can go from earth to hell freely, but must be welcomed back into earth (via gate or special summoning) to come back to the upper plane-- maybe the holy beings can not go back up to their level when they descend to the earth plane. The way I see it: Holy plane is the top layer, earth is the middle layer, and Demon plane is the bottom layer. That would explain how Christian "fallen angels" work- they simply can not go back "up" on their own (what an idea-- that would suggest that "Heaven" isn't really in the skies, just layered "above" earth' layer).
Having that dangerous possibility could make for an interesting twist for some holy characters.
I SO need to do research on the other religious views of good/ holy beings. That's certainly my weakest point in this XD;
Anyways- if the layers work like that-- then going down through the layers may be easy but going up is why the gates are needed. I know that's a completely different angle for the Holy beings than the original idea-- but maybe the holy gates are harder to find but the beings are capable of coming down as they please. I can see them being hesitant to doing so if they have no way back up to their plane. Which could tie into why they don't come down until a few of the Demon Gates are opened. Sort of a strategic action. Like they were waiting for the right moment to come down and start fighting. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those beings wouldn't care about humans though-- as if they're only there because of the classic good vs. evil thing being just how they think.
Bah- I exploded into that thought track @_@ sorry, back to your idea, That's sorta how I was thinking when referring to the first gate being opened. I haven't asked an opinion on how you guys think the gates should be opened, which I'd actually really like to hear o3o But yeah, I was thinking a demon influence was definitely involved.
My idea was that the little village child was glamoured into wondering out of the village and to the unknown gate site where (in my idea of how the gate would be opened) the child died in an accident (aka MURDER D:<) The body would have been found smashed, but the thing that was actually deliberate was the severing of the poor dear's head. So what I'm suggesting is that to open a gate one must sacrifice an innocent life. The head must be severed (ten second rule about the brain not dying immediately) so that the soul can speak to the gate (well, the soul is speaking, but since the brain is still alive the physical plane is still involved), sort of like a password. The gate's energy would entice the soul to speak and so the gate would be activated. Because the words of the spirit plane would be released through the mouth of a human, the planes would connect at that gate: ACTIVATION 8D
Expanding on that-- if a sacrifice manages to stop themselves from allowing the gate to open, then maybe that's how a heaven gate is opened? So the fourth sacrifice might be a notable character.
@Jam, I've been sorta worried about a couple of you guys not posting XD; But as long as you didn't permanently disappear or die I won't kill you <3 Besides, I totally know the college deal =___= So no worries mah friend :3
About the gates: Riiight? I was picturing a museum using a gate as their official entrance, or an old castle that has an even older gate that the king wanted moved to his home five hundred years back... In what ever sort of case-- suddenly having demons coming out of such a place would be an epic devastation >8D So maybe we can fit it in there o3o.
XD Do you mean cross-breed or just breed amongst themselves? I'd sorta think it's be a rare happenstance when considering mythology... then again, some character had lots of kids.. so I guess it depends on what sort of "circumstances" we're talking about. I dunno, maybe someone else would have an opinion on the idea o33o.
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Seitaro Nagase
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:13 am
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| Yup, absolutely right. A mother goddess who is represented by the moon and the great horned god represented by the sun. ^^
Also, about the elements, yes, they are formless energy paths, though wiccans decide on which deity they wish the represent that elemental form. It can also come from different religions since the wiccan system is very flexible to meet the persons necessities.
As for me, I can work with two characters, though I prefer just one since i kinda cross they personalities if I work with two. Though I'm kinda wondering about Sei's story line in this. Would you like it so that I adjust Sei's history or would you like me to message you on his actual background so you have more of a feel to his persona? =3
and...YAAAAAAAAAAY! I honestly can't wait! ^^
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:33 am
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| Ahhh, enlightenment~ That makes sense. I remember reading that some of the ideas are flexible liek that o3o
Oh don't worry too much about working two characters, chances are you'll be able to kill off your human before Seitaro's entrance, so it's not so bad 8D
Hmm, well I don't want you to have to mess with your character too much =\ I think having a look at his original background might be a good idea. Even if he spent time on Earth, I bet you could still incorporate it P=
Oh- I was having a tissy over his hair by the way XD; So maybe I should show you the different styles I've been playing with so I can get a better idea of what you're looking for o3o
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:53 am
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| OOOO! I'll more than happily work with two characters! Plus, this may be the chance for my demon-hunting monk/priest/religious man to have a moment! I crafted him for another roleplay, but it never got off the ground.
And on the "Evil spirit" thing, I meant that they had a corporeal form and looked similar to Devils, but they became personified as Christianity became widespread in the area.
And roleplay-wise, I'm available every morning, and scattered evenings.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:24 am
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| I've already said I was going for the whole side character things, so I can play... many characters? XD
It will mostly depends of what the story needs, but I'm fine with playing up to 5 characters at the same time, although I sorta prefer sticking to 3 or less to be able to develop them properly and make them interact with others ^^
I could always play more if needed, but chances are they will be treated as a group most of the time (if possible, of course).
My schedule should be pretty crappy until December 10 (the end of the semester), then I have more than a month of break, and then back to school, but I don't know what it will be like then (since the schedule will change).
So yeah, until December, I can be on during the weekend and Tuesday pretty much all day long. I'm also free Wednesday afternoons, and Friday mornings too, both those ones are conditional to how much school work I need to do.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:22 pm
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| 'K, I'm updating the front post with the current progress and what I need from you guys.
I'm seriously going to stress that everyone on the full-time Team list needs to have some sort of activity in here. Not posting at all doesn't give me a good impression of your future activity in the RP. Of course, I understand life can keep you away from the computer, but please notify the team when that happens!
Characters should have at least a basic biography made by now.
Working with more than one character is not mandatory, but may be a good idea when considering the format of the plot.
@Key, Hurrah 8D I really love your ability to make your characters flow so that would be AWESOME!! And the sound of a demon hunter monk person sounds LEGIT >D<!!
Oooh, okay, those sort of creatures can definitely be used.
For Wicca-- Would that be a European religion? o3o -no clue where it originated- I found lots of Wiccan things in England a few years back, so that's my only clue XD;
Okay, what exactly are mornings for you? Do you go by Midorean time or your time zone o3o; ?
@Maeve, haha, yes :3 And thank you oh glorious being of gloriousness for that D8
But I do wonder-- For characters that stay in specific towns that the main characters may end up visiting through out the story-- would you want control over anyone like that? Like merchants and mechanics?
Ooh! that works really well then, considering this won't be started till December :'D
But I'll put you down for weekends and Tuesday till Dec 11-ish. Just in case we do start before you get off. And schedules will be set so that I can adjust them as we go so just knowing our December schedule is good enough for me!
I'll probably end up breaking everyone's schedules down together so we all know who can post and when. You'll probably be needed for filling in when the schedule doesn't work out for individuals. But I'll be available for covering over all so you don't get abused XD; Plus there's the Sub-Rpers, Sand Box is being briefed frequently on our progress o3o~
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:37 pm
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| Oh lord I have been neglectful of this place for that I am sorry. Another sorry as well seeing as if I do have the time to make a character for this rp I don't know how well I could manage it with work my toddler and the pther rps I am devoted to. Please forgive me but I might just have to male a char that only pops In every once in a blue moon at least until I get a feep for how fast or slow the rp might be.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:46 pm
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| Awe, that's quite alright ^^; Thank you for letting me know all that Koy D:
I totally understand your situation. I'm not entirely sure about the pace of all of this myself, at least not yet o3o;;
I'll stick you in the Sub-RPer list for now so you don't have to stress anything out :] <3
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