LadyKai
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:41 pm
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| What is abortion?
What is abortion you ask? wrote: |
The premature expulsion from the uterus of the products of conception of the embryo or of a nonviable foetus. The four classic symptoms, usually present in each type of abortion, are uterine contractions, uterine haemorrhage, softening and dilatation of the cervix and presentation or expulsion of all or part of the products of conception.
The expulsion or removal of an embryo or foetus from the mother prematurely, this can be done as an artificial procedure, but it often happens naturally when the mother's body expels the foetus because it has died, has genetic or developmental defects, or because of infection or illness in the mother. Natural abortions are typically called miscarriages. Medically-induced abortions, which can be completed with surgery or with hormone drugs, are performed because the foetus is unwanted, deformed, not likely to live, or endangers the mother's life or health.
[definition from a debate thread in Gaia] |
The sides of abortion include:
Pro-Choice - choice of a woman
Pro-Life - fetus has the right to live
Anti-Choice - feels that women have no rights regarding the fetus' life
Anti-Life - feels that all pregnancies should end in abortion
A Couple things to be discussed:
-Stay legal, or illegalize it?
-Is it right or wrong?
-A woman's, or fetus' choice?
and etc.
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Chu
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:16 pm
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| Once again I’d like to hear your opinion. :3 And what is that quote supposed to be supporting anyway?
I’ve had this debate so many times I’ve run out of words. Let me scrape up an opening opinion though. I’m Pro-Choice in this debate and always have been. If a baby is unwanted before it’s even born then imagine what its life will be like once it is born. Either the mother will grow to love it, the mother will neglect it (or worse), or it will go up for adoption. Why risk that? It may be a “living being”, but nonetheless, it’s only humane to do this. I don’t care about the ultimate form of child abuse! At least this way the child can move onto the next life and hopefully be happier. (I’m agnostic, yes. My views on that don’t matter in this however.) Abortion should stay legalized. Period.
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LadyKai
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:26 pm
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| in the quote it explains what abortion is
my opinion ok
- I think that if an unwanted pregnancy
occurs do what is best for the baby
if it is not wanted or if you phycically and
emotionally CANT take care of it then abortion
is a sad but good way to go i also think adoption is better
because people out there who want kids and cant have them
would love and care for the child
so im up for adoption and DEPENDING on the circumstances abortion
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Chu
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:35 pm
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| I figured we'd all know what abortion is. XDD "Uh... is that a soup?"
I see then. But did you take into consideration the numbers of kids ALREADY up for adoption? An adoption home can be rather miserable for a child.
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LadyKai
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:39 pm
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| Yes and no depending on were the child is placed
some people make arrangements when they are pregnant
for when the child is born that the family who wants it gets
the child that day alot of arrangements like that happen
and think about it whats better LIVING in an adoption home
for being murdered before you have a choice even if the adoption home
isnt that great you might get adopted and if you dont when your 18 you can go live on your own and have a family and most likely a good life
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NaomieKeiko
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:28 pm
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| -Stay legal, or illegalize it?
Personally I think it should remain legal ^^ I'll explain my reasoning further down.
-Is it right or wrong?
I think its right, personally a family friend of ours had a child and even from the beginning they knew that the child had 0% chance to live if it were to be born. You can't exactly understand the stress and anxiety that put on the mother. Its hard to lose a child that you've been carrying for 9 months and knew wasn't going to make it and once you've seen the child alive it becomes even harder to watch it as it dies. The baby had a lot of defects- cartilage around the heart among physical defects. She lasted for about 3 weeks before she died and her mother was just heart broken. She said herself that it would have been a lot easier on her had she let the child go before it had been born.
-A woman's, or fetus' choice?
Its the womans choice, I don't think anyone has the right to tell you what to put in, take out ,or leave in your body. Besides- I'm sure that many of the would be aborted children will just end up in foster homes, abusive homes, or adoption agencies which isn't really much of a life to look forward to.
Also, if fetuses and eggs are removed surgically they can be used for stem cell research and lead to people being able to survive situations and regrow cells that would enable them to survive .gif)
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Clarity
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:04 pm
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| -Stay legal, or illegalize it?
I believe it should STAY legal
-Is it right or wrong?
I believe it is right... most of the time. If it is used as an excuse to have sex w/ out a condom or birth control and you think " I can just have an abortion if I get pregnant", then I believe it is wrong.
I especially believe it is right if a woman is raped, and she gets pregnant from it. IF she doesn't want to carry that baby, because it hold bad memories for her, then I believe it's perfectly fine.
-A woman's, or fetus' choice?
It's the wmona,s as along as she doesn't abuse her right for abortion.
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Killing.is.fun
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:22 pm
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| Abortion should always be leagel
I am totaly pro choice and think that if there was a law past making an abortion illegal it would be taking away our rights as a human being. I would much rather see a wonem have an aortion and go on with her life then to see her have a child she does not want and regreat ot for the rest of her life.
Where ever i met someone who thinks abortion should be aginst the law all i say is " well then are you going to take care of all the orphans that there will be if they do?" They usually dont have much more to say after that.
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LOL UR FACE
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:02 am
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| I hoe I don't see anybody in this thread claiming that a woman will use abortion as a form of birth control, because that is one of the most ignorant, naive, and stupidest things I have heard one too many times.
First off, an abortion costs around $500, it would be the most expensive form of birth control out there. Second off it's not like a woman who gets an abortion has no soul. If you think she can just walk in and alk out feeling guilt free, never think about it again, then you are living in a very deranged, self-righteous fantasy world. It's not an easy choice to make and the women that do make it have thought a lot about their options before making it, I guarantee you.
What bothers me the most about most republicans who are pro-life is that they are the very SAME people who want to cut back on welfare programs. So all these women that they want to have their children despite not being able to take care of it, or even be able to afford the pregnancy, are getting even less help from the government. All they care about is that baby being born, the could care less about it after it is born, and that is really disappointing in my opinion.
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MaxR
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:33 pm
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| Me Pro-choice. Choice not to get "knocked up!" jeez, because someone can't keep their pants up, a person has to die? I don't care about spirits, or legal things, if the egg and the sperm meet, its going to be something!
As for rape, different circumstance, but I stand firm.
Adoption! I know, adoption=bad morality, and chance of a bad life. But I say its better then guaranteed death! You never know if they will be good! Sure, life can be bad, can be the next Hitler for all you know! BUT it has the human potential to live, and grow, be happy, and love! If it doesn't, thats a shame, others go through that too, but it deserves to LIVE!
Adoption over abortion. Abortion is horrible, its baby killing, no "polite" or "dignified" way to say it.
The ONLY, ONLLLLLLYYYYYY way I'd EVER support it, is if the birth would endanger the mother, say she could die from it.
Lives are not equal, you don't sacrifice a life to get a life. So I'd let the mother live, unless she herself wanted the baby to be born.
But besides the less likely(with medical technology these days) chance of that happening, I say let the baby live.
You cannot convince me that killing a baby is "helping it" or "saving it", nor the mother, for abortion entails killing yes? Well she'll have a dead baby in her(if breifly depending on how its done)
sorry if I'm being graphic, or offending anyone here who had an abortion, but I just can't say "kill the baby, its for the best"
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Crazy_Gypsy
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:09 pm
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| My opinion is i wouldnt say make it illegal because each person has there own right and choice in what they feel is right and what they want done.
Its like smoking or drinking its each person choice if they want to do it. They shouldnt make it illegal just cause there are some who agree and some who doesnt.
I personally doesnt feel its right. I would never do it. I feel your killing a living and breathing thing inside you. I know so far everyone in this thread feels pro choice. Im not sure what this makes me but i dont beilve in it.
I respect each and everyone of your opinions for its your choice and thats your right.
I choose that it should be legal cus to some its the only answer and to some they would never even think of going to a clinic to have it done.
As far as some thing it may be considered birth control it does sound stupid. I have never heard the term used but i did used to be friends with a girl who got pregnant 3 times and aborted all. Then she got pregnante again and kept it, she felt the other times she was in her party stage and didnt want a kid to hold her back.
She was unprotected and not on birth control. I feel if she didnt want a baby she should of at least did something after the first at the very least.
However i am me and everyone else does there own thing.
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MaxR
Programmer
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:43 pm
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Its like smoking or drinking its each person choice if they want to do it. They shouldnt make it illegal just cause there are some who agree and some who doesnt. |
...Uhh hello, its not like smoking or drinking at all. Abortion is actually killing a small, helpless form of life. Smoking and drinking are killing yourself. I don't care if you get drunk or smoke until your lungs turn to ash. Killing babies is a totally different issue. Might as well say murder is legal because someones opinion is that that person should die.
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Then she got pregnante again and kept it, she felt the other times she was in her party stage and didnt want a kid to hold her back.
She was unprotected and not on birth control. I feel if she didnt want a baby she should of at least did something after the first at the very least. |
So what if she was "partying"? thats her problem. so because a baby was a mistake it deserved to die
Imagine if it were you for a second who was sentenced to die before you could breath!
If she was partying she should have been more responsible. She SHOULD have done something after the first time, she should have put it up for adoption, or never got knocked up at all. Birth control, safe sex, and maybe just some plain chastity would be best. People these days use sex more for pleasure and just forget its consequences.
I am glad though that you have an open mind, and accept other peoples opinions while having your own, that is a good trait to keep and use in future debates. So I'm glad to here you don't accept it.
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Angel
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:26 pm
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| I believe everyone has the right to make the decisions they want with their life.
BUT abortion isn't a decision about their life, it's that of a helpless fetus'.
I do not support abortion at ALL and think it should be completely and totally illegal.
It's just as easy to drop that baby off at a Fire Station, no questions asked, as it is to have it killed.
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lyte
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:51 pm
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| i say its wrong. its like murdering your own child! why would somebody do that? if you dont want to have a baby, dont have sex.
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MaxR
Programmer
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:46 am
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| lyte, lyte, lyte
you forget rape in which someone doesn't want the baby!
Anyways I'm against abortion, and even in that case I say putting up for adoption is better then death.
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