Just what the HELL is wrong with gay people?

[Vixie]

there is nothing wrong with gays/lesbians.. i'm all for it and surport them 100%.. the banning of gay marriages is stupid and the religions that say "its wrong" can go to hell

[lunexor]

I can't say it any better than this, so I'm just going to put it here:

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Religion and Sexuality

"On her radio show recently, Dr. Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.


1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?


7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?


9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?


10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two differentcrops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse andblaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)


I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D.
Professor Emeritus

[Antheia]

I agree 100%.
I, myself, am bisexual (and no, I'm not just some dump little girl who thinks that she is, I'm being serious here) and I find it sad that so many people can be so riled up just over a man loving another man, or being sexually attracted to another man.
Love is love, and Gay love is a form of love.
I'm not saying they aren't allowed to dislike the fact that there are men out there like that, as well as women. Who are you, or even better yet, who am I to say what is right and what is wrong?
Who is anyone to judge the life of another human being with they themselves have imperfections, and do, say, or act in a way that others dislike?
I don't bring the bible into anything, though. I don't believe in God, but I'm not going to sit here and say he isn't real, and here's another "Who am I to say..." for ya; who am I to say what is or is not real, or to crush the hopes or beliefs of others?

I'm not saying I don't judge some people occasionally, but I do try not to. We're all imperfect and that's what makes us beautiful, and as long as a gay man doesn't/isn't hurting anyone than what does it matter what they do in their free time, or who they love/find sexually attractive? It doesn't, it doesn't hurt anyone.
If two men, or two women want to get married then just don't go to the wedding if you're that uptight about it, but don't be cruel and try to make the law turn against someone who has never done anything harmful to you.

[Trebble Cleff]

Well...
I am actually against gay/lesbians/bisexuals.

But I don't hate them.
I don't hate anything.
Just dislike or despise.

I'm a Catholic and no, it's much different from Christianity.
I can see everyone has rights.
But being gay or bi or a lesbian...
I don't know why.
It sounds sick to me.
What's the point of being gay?
Or bisexual, or a lesbian?
Why not live a life with someone actually DIFFERENT from you?
And learn more?
You just sit around
A man and a man
A woman and a woman
But what does the opposite sex do?
You learn nothing, really.

I'm kind of relating this to a story I know actually....

Let's just not talk about it.
Not to piss you guys off.
But I was kind of happy prop 8 passed.


Edit: And I saw vixie's post.
What do you mean by other religions going to hell if they think it's wrong?
Do you know how much that hurts people?
How I feel right now?
Can you see me?
No, you can't see me.
You don't know how much your words stabbed me.
What if other Catholics saw that?
They would pray for you.
That you wouldn't say cruel things.
That you wouldn't go your self.

HOW CAN YOU MOCK OTHER RELIGIONS LIKE THAT?!
You're critisizing.
Yeah, you don't have to believe.
But you should at leat respect it!

[Transcendence]

My thoughts are this. Marriage is mostly a religious practice. Which means that lots of time a church or pastor or what have you does the marrying. When a church does not believe that gay marriage should be sanctioned there, i think they should have the right to say they don't want to hold the marriage there.

I do not think that people should be stopped from marrying the one they love, no matter who is is though. I mean who am I to stop them? Though...in a way, I don't find marriage as a basic right of the people. However, that is irrelevant. I think if gays want to get married then they can, but if a church,synagogue, denomination, what have you, doesn't want to do it because they don't believe in it, then they shouldn't have to because they law says they must.

[Antheia]

Treble Cleff listen and listen well, please:

Vixie is doing, basically, just what you are doing. She may have been more severe about it, but that doesn't make what you are saying about all of it right.
Before I go on I'd like to say that there is no 'right' answer to this dilemma. There, also, is no 'wrong' answer to it as well.
Because if it were wrong everyone would think is was wrong, therefore there wouldn't be a problem, period.
If it were right than everyone would think it was right, so therefore there would need to be no debate about it, and all humanity would end eventually because there would be no more, or very little, reproducing in order for us all to live.
Anyways, like I was originally saying, neither you or I are right.

YOU are not the judge of what is right, and what is wrong, of what is holy, and what is not, and most of all, how people feel and how people learn from one another.
The gender does not determine what you can learn from another human being.
Being so involved in your religion that you are so uptight about everything that people other than yourself do seems sick and wrong to me, but you don't hear me complaining about it.
I don't mind religion, as long as people don't try to impose on me with it.
It's not just a sexual preference, and it's not just a mental preference, it's both put together that determines if you are, aren't, or in between.
I'm kind of happy so many people have stopped practicing religion, but, like I said, I don't normally just post about it, unless trying to make a valid point in reply to someone else.

Despise is basically just like hate, just not complete hate.
It's a severe dislike, which is what hate is.
Hate isn't just "Oh I want to kill you! D:<" it's also "Wow I don't like you." as well, if that makes any sense at all.
You don't like that they are gay, at all, right?
You don't find one thing about it 'right' do you?
You think it shouldn't even be an option, isn't that correct?
Well, that's hate sweetie.
If you truly didn't 'hate' it you'd probably find at least one thing 'right' about it. But you don't from what I see. You'd probably not be so 'concerned' about it if you truly didn't hate. There are large forms of hate, and there are small forms of hate, hun.
Now I'm not entirely positive, but I've got a hunch that what I'm saying about you not liking Gay/Bi/Lesbian Marriage is truth.



You know, you take offense to what Vixie said just as much as I take offense to what you're saying.
You don't appreciate what she said? Well I don't appreciate what you said, it most definitely does NOT give ME a fuzzy good feeling, it's quite the opposite, actually.
I feel hated, disliked, stabbed even.



*You don't just sit around, you live together, love together, and learn together (and by you I'm speaking as if you were a gay, bisexual, or lesbian).
And you can't say that is what they/we do because you aren't one, so how would you even know?

[Catghost]

[Keito]

I thought the letter to Dr. Laura was funny! I don't care if the passages were old!

[TheMountainScene]

I agree with Kitty (Catghost).
Love is love. If you love who you do, then that's the way it is and I have respect for people who know what they want.
However, on the subject of marriage:
Marriage is a religious institution, therefore based on religious principles.
If the religion says homosexuality or bisexuality is a no-no, then marriage isn't happening.
I've been a Christian for only about 2 years now so maybe I'm a little green on the subject, but as far as I'm concerned if you want to make a religious pact, you have to follow religious principles.
What's wrong with just living with who you love? Is marriage really that important to you homoexuals/bisexuals out there?
I wouldn't know, I've never loved another man that way before...

[Keito]

I can understand that.

[Fallain]

There's nothing wrong with us thankyouverymuch. We are both humans, we just happen to have a different mindset than you.

Everyone has different tastes in music, fashion, ice cream flavors, but no one has a problem with any of that now do they? We have a different taste in who we love because we love different traits of the same gender better than the opposite and choose to follow our hearts instead of living up-happy. If anything, i'd say we're more in love with our partners than straight people because of what we have to go through just to be with them.

Things like this for example.

[TheMountainScene]

Hey, I didn't mean any disrespect!
I'm not bashing homosexuals! I promise!
I think its great that you can stand up for who you love. It's awesome.
But religion is religion and as long as marriage is a religious practice, then I think there's gonna be a probelm.

[Fallain]

But marriage is becoming less and less religious. I mean, what is marriage anyways? A legal certificate that gives you a last name? Marriage is about what's on the inside and I don't need someone i'm paying to tell me that in a long ceremony.

And you don't even have to get married by priests anymore. Anyone can get a licenses to perform the ceremony, from ship captains to the guy I toke German class with just because there are so many different religions and so few churches for the diversity.

The problem is slowly resolving itself. Weither or not it's for everyone or good or worse, it's happening. One by one the states are making their decisions and either legalizing or banning same sex marriages. Now all we can do is sit back and watch what happens.

[TheMountainScene]

I agree that this is just circumlocuting itself,
but how can a legally binding piece of paper be about what's on the inside?
Love is about what's on the inside, not a shared last name.
Many people get married for all of the wrong reasons.
I think if you want to spend the rest of your life with someone, be them male or female, the only prerequisite (sp?) is love. Marriage, to me, seems kind of like an extra-curricular. Unnecessary in the scheme of things.
Especially if you are going against the practice anyways.

[Fallain]

Well stated indeed.

For example, I know a straight couple that dated for a week before getting engaged and married 6 months later.

They hate each other and are getting a divorce.

Me and my girlfriend have been together for alittle over 4 years now and never even talked about getting married. For one reason, we don't want to get our hopes up, but more importantly, we already feel like an old married couple anyways. And some piece of paper isn't going to change that.

But all the same, why should a couple like that be allowed to marry just because their straight when their just going to waste it and get divorced when a couple like us can't?