FiendCharlotte
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 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:42 pm
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| I am all for gay rights such as gays getting married. I think that is ridiculous that they can't have the same rights as other people just because of who the fall in love with. It's just not right.
As for the understanding of why, its because gay people are different then straight people and people are always afraid of what is different so they try to qwell and hide those that are different as to punish them
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Twigg
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:11 pm
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| ..Are you kidding me? They're trying to take away gay rights? What the hell.
I don't see why this is such a big deal. Gay people are still people, why shouldn't they have rights? Just because they like their own gender doesn't mean they shouldn't have their rights.
And I'm not a religious person anymore, but I do know that you're right. There is nothing in the bible stating that two men or two females can't love each other. Ugh. America is turning to crap.
And I think you'd make a lovely Canadian actor. C:
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Haley
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:12 pm
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| Well, you should look at it from the religious stance. (no, I'm not a bible jockey- I'm not even religious.) Marriage was created by religions to bring together a man and a woman. For what reason, I haven't read up on. If a religious leader is against going against what a religious ceremony was made as and for, that is their right to decline. Marriage is, in essence, a religious binding of (what I am sure is) a man and a woman.
So think of this in the bible thumping people's stand point.
Take out Marriage and replace it with Religious Binding.
You say anyone should be able to marry who they love.
I completely agree, but... marriage isnt just
"I love you and I want to spend my life with you."
Marriage is religious.
Separation of church and state cannot apply because this is
fully and without a doubt all religious.
(which is why Prop 8 was ridiculous to begin with, because the state cant
dictate what the church does, nor can the church dictate what the state does)
Now, a civil union, that is 100% state, so the church cannot interfere if that is
what a gay couple decides to do. But marriage is their territory- religion.
And if the religious doctrine of which you want to get united by
says its against the rules, Its not to be cried over.
If you want to push it, that is a slap in their face. That is saying that
you want them to alter their belief structure so you and your loved one
can be together forever. Which you can do anyways without making a
bible thumper go through identity issues (because they live by the rules)
To each their own, and believe as you will.
But you cannot go at it so blindly and fight with just your heart.
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KittinVonTease
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:56 pm
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| Before I begin my rant I would like to say that I believe that ALL humans deserve to have equal rights regardless of their age, sex, religion, sexual orientation, and race.
I found an article stating the following -
"I have a real problem with legislation based on whom a person wants to sleep with and it is not because I am morally offended by their choice of partner. There are laws on the book forbidding certain sexual activity -- incest, bestiality, pedophilia and prostitution. If civil rights legislation can be passed based solely on the sexual orientation of gays, then what would preclude any of the taboo practitioners from asserting their own civil rights? Democratic primary candidate Bill Bradley had proposed changing the 1965 Civil Rights Act to include sexual orientation. Even liberal Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., argued that the idea might endanger the underlying legislation"
I haven't seen or heard of anything stating that gay rights will be taken away (except in CA where marriage was legalized for 10 minutes and then taken away) rather I have heard that ammendments will not be made to include homosexual rights. Civil rights laws were implemented to atone for the injustices that minorities suffered in their pursuit of employment and housing. Note: Demographically, homosexuals enjoy a higher than average income and do not account for a significant portion of the homeless population.
Regardless, ALL humans should be treated equally.
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MaxR
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:36 pm
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| Haley wrote: |
Well, you should look at it from the religious stance. (no, I'm not a bible jockey- I'm not even religious.) Marriage was created by religions to bring together a man and a woman. For what reason, I haven't read up on. If a religious leader is against going against what a religious ceremony was made as and for, that is their right to decline. Marriage is, in essence, a religious binding of (what I am sure is) a man and a woman.
So think of this in the bible thumping people's stand point.
Take out Marriage and replace it with Religious Binding.
You say anyone should be able to marry who they love.
I completely agree, but... marriage isnt just
"I love you and I want to spend my life with you."
Marriage is religious.
Separation of church and state cannot apply because this is
fully and without a doubt all religious.
(which is why Prop 8 was ridiculous to begin with, because the state cant
dictate what the church does, nor can the church dictate what the state does)
Now, a civil union, that is 100% state, so the church cannot interfere if that is
what a gay couple decides to do. But marriage is their territory- religion.
And if the religious doctrine of which you want to get united by
says its against the rules, Its not to be cried over.
If you want to push it, that is a slap in their face. That is saying that
you want them to alter their belief structure so you and your loved one
can be together forever. Which you can do anyways without making a
bible thumper go through identity issues (because they live by the rules)
To each their own, and believe as you will.
But you cannot go at it so blindly and fight with just your heart. |
Thank you! That is the major point I've had in my head forever!
Marriage=no gays
Civil Union=EVERONE
Why no one can just understand that marriage isn't a right, but a religious privelege, whereas civil union is governed and can be petitioned against
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Haley
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:00 pm
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| MaxR wrote: |
| Haley wrote: |
Well, you should look at it from the religious stance. (no, I'm not a bible jockey- I'm not even religious.) Marriage was created by religions to bring together a man and a woman. For what reason, I haven't read up on. If a religious leader is against going against what a religious ceremony was made as and for, that is their right to decline. Marriage is, in essence, a religious binding of (what I am sure is) a man and a woman.
So think of this in the bible thumping people's stand point.
Take out Marriage and replace it with Religious Binding.
You say anyone should be able to marry who they love.
I completely agree, but... marriage isnt just
"I love you and I want to spend my life with you."
Marriage is religious.
Separation of church and state cannot apply because this is
fully and without a doubt all religious.
(which is why Prop 8 was ridiculous to begin with, because the state cant
dictate what the church does, nor can the church dictate what the state does)
Now, a civil union, that is 100% state, so the church cannot interfere if that is
what a gay couple decides to do. But marriage is their territory- religion.
And if the religious doctrine of which you want to get united by
says its against the rules, Its not to be cried over.
If you want to push it, that is a slap in their face. That is saying that
you want them to alter their belief structure so you and your loved one
can be together forever. Which you can do anyways without making a
bible thumper go through identity issues (because they live by the rules)
To each their own, and believe as you will.
But you cannot go at it so blindly and fight with just your heart. |
Thank you! That is the major point I've had in my head forever!
Marriage=no gays
Civil Union=EVERONE
Why no one can just understand that marriage isn't a right, but a religious privelege, whereas civil union is governed and can be petitioned against |
80 SOMEONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS IT?! You're making me wanna glomp you .___. or other things lol- yes, its a religious privelage.. everyone thinks, for some diluted hollywood/old traditional reason that couples can only be happy and be together forever if they're married under god's name... -.-;; peeshaw.
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Kushina
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:01 pm
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| I really do not understand why the heck people do not accept every one for who they are and what they are I mean because they are gay or lesbian or bisexual does not mean that they are really bad people or that they are not human what so ever and take away their rights, you know? I mean, I would be nicer than that, and I do not like some people, but I love gay people
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Ravenfeathers13
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:10 pm
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| THATS MESSED UP.
A lot of people i my family are lesbian o gay, My frieds too, and I don't see thats fair!
Even if they make it illegal, people will go to great lengths to break that law!
GAY RIGHTS!
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:36 pm
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| Angel wrote: |
I honestly don't get it.
People are trying to amend the Constitution to take away gay rights. Where do these people get off saying the Constitution, what gives everyone rights, should take them away?
I really don't understand where the hatred comes from anymore.
I mean, the bible does NOT say anything against a man loving another man. All references to homosexuality prove Jesus was in reference to straight men who would cheat on their wives with male Pagen whores. PROOF SAYS MEN LOVING MEN IS NOT SACRILEGIOUS! D<
If America ever amends the Constitution to take away gay rights, I'm moving to Canada.
Think I could be a good Canadian actor? XD |
Over here in California, we are constantly at war with ourselves (no, not just over taxes, nor with Skynet, the Governator has that under control) over how we feel about Homosexuality and what it means to our society.
Personally, it really makes me sad. Our [state] government has given us ample opportunity to allow for progress to be made in this area, and I don't just mean with our most recent CA-Prop 8 that was our chance to overturn a previous decision that allowed Californians (or more technically, at the least those in California) to have gay marriages.
But as has been proven time and time again "Christians" (and I don't mean this to target all Christians, because I know that not everyone who follows the faith is the same) are among the worst group of intolerant bigots out there.
I don't mean to spread my own personal brand of hatred, which I promise I only spew in jest, but this is a serious topic so it will stay out here. The hardcore conservative Christians, the ones who assemble on the streets to heckle homosexuals, the ones who are the first to stand outside a Barnes & Noble to personally condemn a twelve year old child to hell for purchasing a Harry Potter novel, are unfortunately enough the ones who have the money to pay off politicians, to campaign with all their might to uphold theirs and ONLY their beliefs as the end-all-be-all of what is right, and if you don't agree... well, they don't care, you're going to hell anyway.
Commercials out here to vote Yes on Prop 8 (which did pass, by the way, and took away the right to have a Gay Marriage in California) were absolutely disgusting, and full of lies. They had lines about the proposition having relevance toward teaching Sexual Education classes to KINDERGARTENERS, which was a BLATANT LIE.
It makes me upset, not really angry, but it makes me sad at the state of humanity when I thought we had evolved socially past all this.
And for the record, I am a heterosexual male, and don't even personally know anyone who is homosexual, so nothing in my personal life sways the way I feel; I just can't stand the thought of one way of life being lorded over another while the less socially acceptable one is condemned as wrong.
THAT is wrong. I'm going to stop now, I'm sure that's more than you expected to get in any single rant on how the condemnation of homosexuality is wrong. Sorry.
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Angel
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:12 am
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| OMG MY FACE wrote: |
Over here in California, we are constantly at war with ourselves (no, not just over taxes, nor with Skynet, the Governator has that under control) over how we feel about Homosexuality and what it means to our society.
Personally, it really makes me sad. Our [state] government has given us ample opportunity to allow for progress to be made in this area, and I don't just mean with our most recent CA-Prop 8 that was our chance to overturn a previous decision that allowed Californians (or more technically, at the least those in California) to have gay marriages.
But as has been proven time and time again "Christians" (and I don't mean this to target all Christians, because I know that not everyone who follows the faith is the same) are among the worst group of intolerant bigots out there.
I don't mean to spread my own personal brand of hatred, which I promise I only spew in jest, but this is a serious topic so it will stay out here. The hardcore conservative Christians, the ones who assemble on the streets to heckle homosexuals, the ones who are the first to stand outside a Barnes & Noble to personally condemn a twelve year old child to hell for purchasing a Harry Potter novel, are unfortunately enough the ones who have the money to pay off politicians, to campaign with all their might to uphold theirs and ONLY their beliefs as the end-all-be-all of what is right, and if you don't agree... well, they don't care, you're going to hell anyway.
Commercials out here to vote Yes on Prop 8 (which did pass, by the way, and took away the right to have a Gay Marriage in California) were absolutely disgusting, and full of lies. They had lines about the proposition having relevance toward teaching Sexual Education classes to KINDERGARTENERS, which was a BLATANT LIE.
It makes me upset, not really angry, but it makes me sad at the state of humanity when I thought we had evolved socially past all this.
And for the record, I am a heterosexual male, and don't even personally know anyone who is homosexual, so nothing in my personal life sways the way I feel; I just can't stand the thought of one way of life being lorded over another while the less socially acceptable one is condemned as wrong.
THAT is wrong. I'm going to stop now, I'm sure that's more than you expected to get in any single rant on how the condemnation of homosexuality is wrong. Sorry. |
*glomps you*
YOU SAID IT! :D
Sorry, I'm not reading the other walls of text in here right now, cuz' I don't have the time. XD
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:21 pm
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| this whole thread was tl;dr but I had to put in my two cents. Or twenty dollars. Whatever =p
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vampirebox
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:11 am
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| Angel, I'm in complete agreement with you.
The Bible tells people to do a LOT of crappy things - such as allow men to rape your daughter under certain conditions.
If we were strictly following the Bible... this world would suck for women, that's for darn sure.
I don't think it's a good idea to pick and choose rules according to a book that was written HUNDREDS of years ago, by an eclectic collection of random people supposedly "chosen" by a "god" - and then there's the issue of "who's god is right?"
The Christian god, the Jewish god, the Muslim god?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:01 am
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| vampirebox wrote: |
I don't think it's a good idea to pick and choose rules according to a book that was written HUNDREDS of years ago, by an eclectic collection of random people supposedly "chosen" by a "god" - and then there's the issue of "who's god is right?"
[The Christian god, the Jewish god, the Muslim god? |
Okay I was going to start off serious, but the Christian God and Jewish God are the same. >_>
Anyway!
You touch on a few Really Valid Points in this selection from your post. First and foremost is
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| I don't think it's a good idea to pick and choose rules |
Beligerant Christian Intolerants absolutely LOVE to do this. They pick and choose from the bible what they agree with as wrong and then ignore other things. Point and Case: I don't think Jesus would have been part of [possibly violent] assemblies who harass homosexuals, nor any church that makes a point of taking His name and putting it behind any sort of intolerance, especially when it involves spreading a hurtful and degrading message.
I honestly don't even see how these people can consider themselves Christians, when Christianity is meant to spread a message of love for all mankind, a brotherhood of man, and most of all tolerance of those who are different than us. It's a message that these kinds of people who would tear down homosexuals like to forget, or put out of their mind, or pretend that it doesn't apply to them, when all they're really doing is making a bad name for those of their faith. I can't even begin to tell you how many non-Christians I've known who have had no respect at all for those of the Christian faith because of people like this. Because when these people assemble on the streets it makes the news, but when a church puts together its tithing and builds a school in Africa, we hear nothing about it. We hear nothing about the everyday kindness of Christians that goes unthanked, it's these stories that go untold while we hear of the intolerance of a select few.
Now before I'm lumped in with the other side of Christianity, I am in no way religious. I consider myself Agnostic; I believe in a higher power, but I'm not quite sure of who or what that may be, nor am I ready to put a name to it. But on the point of choosing which God's word we are to follow, that's the sort of thing that starts wars.
Which in its own right is completely ridiculous. Religions are generally in agreement with each other. Religion is a wonderful concept that spreads good moral ideals. All religions have some form of the Golden Rule; Treat others as you would want to be treated. Whether it's written in the Bible, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, the Kuran, a Disney Book, spoken allowed from father to son, or in any other form, this is a message that most everyone in the world is taught in one form or another.
And yet we still see wars over religion.
In any case, I don't want to stray too far from the subject so I'll cut myself off there, but it seems that [at least] the three of us are in agreement that using the Bible, or religion, as an excuse to feel good about yourself when you're gay-bashing is a load of crap.
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Sorry I had that post all formatted wrong, the quote messed me up. I fixed it now, sorry if that was confusing, though I doubt anyone really got to read it before I fixed it.
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vampirebox
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:51 am
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| FiendCharlotte wrote: |
I am all for gay rights such as gays getting married. I think that is ridiculous that they can't have the same rights as other people just because of who the fall in love with. It's just not right.
As for the understanding of why, its because gay people are different then straight people and people are always afraid of what is different so they try to qwell and hide those that are different as to punish them |
I don't think that's necessarily the case - I think it's more of a political ordeal. If more of our government made an effort to say "hey, this is okay", I think more people would chill out about it. Lots of new things have been introduced to the public that have been welcome with open arms - for example, the 9-11-inspired laws that took away civil freedoms. Many people were glad for those laws, because they supposedly protected America's citizens. Doesn't mean that they were good laws, though .gif)
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vampirebox
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:52 am
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| OMG MY FACE
Lol, you're right they are. But the rules under which the religions operate are a little different, which is what I meant... but not what I said haha. .gif)
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