Antheia
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 Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:43 pm
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| well it seems to me that teachers no longer have control over the brats that attend their schools.. children are to overlooked and are free to do what they want(which includs taking drugs, drinking, sex and pregnancy) at a very young age because the parents don't give a crap, i think they should bring back the cane in schools(hitting them across the knuckles or bum like what they did in the olden days) and the parents should be fined. what does everyone else think!? |
I think what you just said is 100% dumb(you asked what I thought).
The stupidest thing I have ever heard.
My brother went to a school that beat him, he came home with injuries, and I don't know about you, but I would rather NOT come home hurt and limping or not able to sit down.
I felt bad for my brother being so helpless to him.
I'm a Freshman and, personally, I know I'm not free to do what I want.
I'm only a bitch towards teachers or staff of the schools when they don't give me basic respect, I normally give people basic respect, but if they give me a reason not to, I won't.
The parents DO 'give a crap', thank you very much, my dad does, all of my friends parents do EXCEPT one girls dad, who doesn't.
And she turned out to be a not so friendly/caring/responsible person, and I have taken that into consideration.
Us 'kids' aren't all irresponsible just because a few are.
Bringing back 'the cane' wouldn't help anything, it would just make us hate school, teachers, and even our parents sometimes, and of course hate the government more than we do because they would be the ones giving schools the right to fine parents.
We're not 'brats', and I take EXTREME offense to that. So please, next time, watch what you say, and who you're saying it about.
The cane would only teach us physical and mental hurt. It would help nothing, and it's wrong to hit someone to teach them a lesson.
Violence is NOT the answer to all problems, violence would create more violence, because when those kids grew up and had kids, they would hit them to get them to obey, and obeying is not a gift, nor is it fun.
Hitting kids is not the answer, and it is not 'right', in my opinion.
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Antheia
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:00 pm
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| TheRipper wrote: |
| i think they should bring back all the canning and stuff in schools because kids these days have zero respect and thats why there all dumb as posts because they dont turn up and there parents dont care, its stupid! but hey if you wanna grow up to be a thicko then be my guest! |
I have respect, but not for someone who demands it.
Adults need to learn that we kids do not hand out our respect, just as adults do not.
Basic respect is the term I use for what is deserved at the time of meeting a person.
But deep respect is not just handed out by people, that is something that is EARNED.
Hitting kids won't solve anything, being a 'kid', I should know.
What if I said we should hit parents with canes when they disrespect us? If you're an adult, you'd say no and tell us the oh-so-important rule "Hitting is NOT the answer. It does not solve anything."
If you're an adult reading this and have said this to kids before, follow your own advice, or if you're not, take it from me, and follow your own advice.
You have to look at it from both sides of the table.
The good/bad effects it will have.
We're not all stupid.
And we do have respect, like I said, but those of us who don't have respect aren't always dumb as posts.
Use proper grammar before you criticize people for being 'dumb as posts'. It'll help me (and probably others) respect your opinion more.
Than goes for Vixie too.
Edited version of your post:
"I think they should bring back all the caning(there's only one 'n'), and stuff, in schools because kids these days have zero respect(it was a run on sentence, and therefore needs to be cut off). That's why they're(you used the wrong 'there', 'their', or 'they're') all dumb as posts because they don't('don't' has an apostrophe between the 'n' and the 't' because it is implying 'do not', the ' is there to replace the 'o') turn up and their('their' is the possessive form of the three 'there, their, or they're's.) parents' don't care, it's stupid! But(the first letter in the first word of a sentence is capitalized) hey, if you wanna grow up to be a thicko then be my guest!"
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Veriantor
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:01 pm
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| I may be wrong but I believe some Catholic schools still do that. I'm not sure. I think it's wrong for teachers to hit kids. Why you asks. Will how would you like to a afraid to go to school cause your afraid your teacher will beat you. Kids will skip school cause they don't want there teachers to beat them. Or they will drop out if they are in high school. We all know school is important. So why do you want your kids to be afraid of it.
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kaishi
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:51 am
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| Well, as a person who plans to be a teacher in secondary school (grades 6-12), I have to say I do not agree at all. Just to clarify, I am not one of those people who thinks paddling a child is abuse. I think parents need to discipline their children, albeit within reason.
However, teachers do not need to beat their students. Teachers just need to be better teachers. I have heard so many stories of elementary school teachers who allowed - even enjoyed - the verbal and mental abuse of their students by other students. This only nurtures a hostile environment and, quite frankly, removes the teacher from a position of authority, respect, and, most importantly, trust. And that's from the low levels of education! When I was in high school I thought my teachers must despise us ALL, the way they berated us and talked down to us like we were the filth of the earth. I had a teacher tell me once that she hoped I failed and didn't graduate, and if I did she'd be very disappointed. This was just because I was absent often due to mono!
Think about high school - it is a crazy emotional battleground for most kids. Those who misbehave aren't just some worthless brats you can beat into submission. The adults in their life need to take care of them and help solve the problems, rather than compound them by acting childish and angry themselves. They need to be the authority, not the enemy. Yes, discipline is important, but if the kid in class is acting up because of trouble at home, do you think hitting him is going to help him do better in school? No.
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Kasumi Ocada
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:55 am
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| Granted, I'm speaking from experience here and so it might seem a little biased but...
Some children have behavior problems. Their parents have to spend more time and money on their kids trying to help integrate them well into society through counseling, 1 on 1 time and sometimes medication and other means. I think its adding insult to injury when you want to fine a parent with a badly behaving child. Its often not the parents fault. And violence doesn't solve a single thing, if children are abused (and - YES a ruler across the knuckles IS abuse!) then its just going to encourage abusive behavior in them.
Its all very counter-productive.
Maybe you don't have children so you don't see what I see. But... I grew up in the 80's and 90's. Bullies were a HUGE problem in every school I ever attended (my dad was in the army so we moved a lot) and the teachers just "looked away" for the most part.
Now school systems attempt to encourage good behavior in their students and my oldest daughter's school (the one with behavior problems) has a very well-formulated anti-bully program that the entire school is involved in. As a result, Torri doesn't get bullied like I did when I was 9.
There really isn't a single thing that would be good about going back to corporal punishment in schools. It would be teaching our children the wrong thing and we would have even more abusive parents than we do right now.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:17 pm
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| My school is way too strict. You're not allowed to dye your hair, wear ripped jeans, skirts and shorts must be below your fingertips, no sandals, and my friend got suspended for wearing a Marylin Manson shirt(no profanities, or anything gang-related on it, either! Just a picture of him). I can't even wear my pentagram (apparently its gang-related) but they allow people to wear crosses, when both are religious symbols, thereby gang-related, supposedly. That's prejudice against Pagans like myself. My teacher even asked me to remove the straps on my pants because they were somehow 'distracting'.
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Rawien
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:20 pm
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| Schools are not the problem, imo. I know that school teachers do work hard and good school teachers actually can control children quite well, naturally you get the odd teacher who you can't actually understand why they would want to work with children in the first place...
In anycase, the problem is with upbringing and with the parents. If kids are brought up badly then they'll have problems for the rest of their lives no matter what schools do. Of course it's a viscious cycle as alot of parents with poor parenting skills had bad childhoods too. Maybe the answer is councelling on both parts?
But to me I find kids lack respect these days. It really grates on me how much disregard people have for everyone and everything else these days, not just kids. But maybe that's just me...
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Cougati
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:47 am
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| anime_emo_girl wrote: |
| My school is way too strict. You're not allowed to dye your hair, wear ripped jeans, skirts and shorts must be below your fingertips, no sandals, and my friend got suspended for wearing a Marylin Manson shirt(no profanities, or anything gang-related on it, either! Just a picture of him). I can't even wear my pentagram (apparently its gang-related) but they allow people to wear crosses, when both are religious symbols, thereby gang-related, supposedly. That's prejudice against Pagans like myself. My teacher even asked me to remove the straps on my pants because they were somehow 'distracting'. |
That isn't "way too strict" it's basic. Teachers and schools want to avoid as much possible conflict as they can. Asking you not to wear a pentagram or other pagan religious items is merely trying to prevent fights, believe me, we've had way too many like that at my school.
Yes, they shouldn't be allowed to prevent you from doing so, but it's not surprising that they do. You have to think about it from the point of view of the school board, and all the rules they impose make a lot of sense.
Except for at my school where our principal was a stripper and still dresses like a whore...*sigh* THAT'S distracting.
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Kasumi Ocada
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:16 pm
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| If Christians can wear crosses to school then no other religious items should be disallowed.
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Berlin
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:24 pm
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| @Kasumi Ocada and all the others talking about wearing symbols.
Most schools I've been to, even when living in the "Bible Belt" of America didn't make a huge deal when wearing symbols like on a necklace as long as it wasn't, like, ridiculously big.
I've worn crosses to school before. No big deal.
I've worn Celtic symbols to school before. No big deal. I mean, my favorite one is in the shape of an iron cross. Nothing happened.
I've worn Celtic crosses to school before. No big deal. If you didn't know, Celtic crosses are huge with Neo-Nazis. Getting a Celtic cross as a tattoo is a gang symbol for many Neo-Nazi groups. Heck, even wearing them could be something. If it was really a big deal, I would have been called out on it.
I'm sure you can wear symbols on jewelry as long as they aren't huge and distracting and aren't anything like the "Anarchy A" or something.
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Rawien
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:33 pm
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| anime_emo_girl wrote: |
| My school is way too strict. You're not allowed to dye your hair, wear ripped jeans, skirts and shorts must be below your fingertips, no sandals, and my friend got suspended for wearing a Marylin Manson shirt(no profanities, or anything gang-related on it, either! Just a picture of him). I can't even wear my pentagram (apparently its gang-related) but they allow people to wear crosses, when both are religious symbols, thereby gang-related, supposedly. That's prejudice against Pagans like myself. My teacher even asked me to remove the straps on my pants because they were somehow 'distracting'. |
Well, at my old school it was a uniform. Up till sixthform which was business dress. Skirts to the knees, no jeans or trainers or sandles or tank tops. Only shirts with collars, no straps showing, no text on shirts...etc etc. Relgious symbols are generally allowed. I was told to remove my cross, but it wasn't for religious purposes so I oblidged.
What your talking about isn't strict, it's appropriate. I hate to admit it, but since everyone looked pretty much the same, with a little added individuality no one got bullied or thought less of because of their clothes. And with such similar clothes, there's no snobbery about labels and who got what from where. Also, school's a learning environment not a catwalk. And it's alot easier to learn when your co workers aren't looking down on you because you like to wear gothic clothes and they like to wear burberry.
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Berlin
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:59 pm
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| @Rawien
I applaud you for that reply. As much as I would have hated to wear any uniforms the past 12 years, I have to agree that clothing in public schools can get extremely off the wall. And sometimes we need uniforms to keep us more concerned with the task at hand, learning. I completely agree with what you said. School is a place for learning, not showing off our fashions. That is what the weekends are for.
It also helps to get you ready for the workplace. With work, you either need uniforms or to look somewhat nice/ ready to get in there and work. You can't go around doing actually work in a bunch of jewelry and strappy pants. You could trip! Or even work way too slow.
Learning to dress neutrally will help you not only getting the job, but also not getting opinions formed about you when you are actually working in the public eye. And that is where most jobs are. Even a tiny nose ring can get you looks or bad thoughts from older customers.
Bah... Sorry for the rant.
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Rawien
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:19 pm
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Thank you, I'm glad I'm not getting comments that anyone is offended, I guess I took a bit of a harsh tone! I agree wiht you, I work myself and Ihave to wear a hideous uniform. It doesn't stop any of us being individuals, I know my co-workers well and they've all got very different personalities, but without the clothing everything feels alot more neutral and even. There is more to a person than thier fashion sense, and I feel that if you really need that badly to dress a certain way then perhaps you should look more deeply into yourself. You don't need anyone elses approval, or indeed disapproval, to be who you are.
Of course that's not to say I don't like looking individual or nice or even following certain fashion trends, but I know there's alot more to me than the clothes I wear or the music I listen to, so if I'm not allowed to wear jeans and a tank I'm not usually too bothered. (:
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Iregyura
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:26 pm
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| No, I don't think that's right. Even if this sounds harsh, I think that the children should be free to do whatever they want. If it's drugs or something, someone will probably tell them to stop. If they don't, it's they're problem. The school should kick them out, yes, but their future is their own. I'm tired of hearing how people were taking drugs, and everyone still forgives them and everything. There's always a "second chance" for them. It's getting really annoying. I know it's harsh, but this is what I think. There's only one second chance. No more than that.
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